This is most of the transcript from the May 14, 2007 program, 'The Power Hour' and I'm posting it because it has some interesting information even though I question some it (i.e. he blames the Russians & praises Israel). So read it with discernment as we continue to uncover the truth.
Interview with A. C. Griffith, one of the global chemtrail spraying operation researchers that came out in the open, conducted by Joyce Riley.
A. C. Griffith was associate within NSA, he carried top secret clearance, a cryptographic clearance, and in more recent times he was associated with CIA operations. He was married to lady lawyer judge, his father in law was a chief justice of the supreme court of Virginia.
Several years ago I've got a telephone call from Mike Blair from the "Spotlight" newspaper in Washington, now called "The American Free Press", he asked me to help work with him on the story about the white trails coming from the airplanes.
And time is gone by and I guess this was 8 or 9 years ago. We actually got inside the program. We were the only people in the world that have actually got inside that program. The aerosol program, the chemtrail program. I am talking about, actually, getting inside the program at Wright Patterson airforce base where it is been managed. And we actually got into some of the people that were dissatisfied from within the program and they divulged a lot of the acronyms and the purpose of the program and so on, and that’s the only way that anybody could ever have broken the secrecy of this program. We know that people have died over this program. People have been hit, to keep them quiet. And we know that other things have happened at keep people in this program. One of the key people that designed the aerosol, the barium salt aerosol, was set-up by people in the Reagan administration, and he is now sitting in federal penitentiary. They still go to him to ask him questions, but yet he is in the prison. That is little unnerving, isn't it? That the man that has designed the barium salt aerosol is sitting in a prison. The white trails are not coming out of the engines; it’s coming out of the aerosol units on the aircraft. In the very beginning - the early days - the aircraft were flying relatively low, 10.000 feet or below, and they were developing the program. They were mostly contract aircraft, mostly CIA aircraft.
Now the program has been expanded and commercial airliners have been outfitted with aerosol units that are controlled thru computer systems and satellites to dispense a barium salt mixture. It’s a mixture of barium salt, not coming out of the engine, it’s coming out of aerosols. And we have checked on information; we do confirm that the name the project is "Project Cloverleaf" in the aircraft industry. It is very secretive; it is the most secretive thing I have ever encountered. People have died over this talking about it. I listened to your broadcast just few minutes ago, the general was on saying that he is very patriotic and he feels compelled to speak out, and that is exactly the way as I feel. I am very patriotic. I was born before the WWII, I am an old guy. And I come from that generation and that mind set. This is my country. And I see my country being dissolved. My country is being destroyed right in front my eyes, and the people are being hurt, and that's why I consented to be on your radio program today. I know you’ll remember that you have asked me many times to do this and I have been very reluctant, but it’s time, it’s time to speak out and go public with these things.
You do this with considerable amount of risk to your own life, do you not?
Yes, that's right.
So, there are people who have lost their lives, people who are now in prison as result of divulging this information. You were as you say very patriotic, you still are very patriotic, and you are doing this out of patriotism, out of love for this country.
As I know you are.
That correct, That's correct.
You know Joyce, I am in Richmond Virginia, just a few miles from the spot that Patrick Henry stood in 1775. He was talking to Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and George Whiff and others in St. John's church. And they were talking about the oppression coming from England at the time. And he was a little put out at them for not deciding a course and he concluded his speech to them with: " I know not what course others may choose, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death". And I think we are approaching a time like that.
I talked with you about a discussion I had had with a military member who admitted to me, well, first of all, he did not believe that there was such a program. However, he was stationed at one of the bases where I knew some of the operations were taking place on this aerosol clouding or aerosol dispersion or whatever you want to call it. And I had him go to the person who we knew was in charge of that base at that time and he did in fact confirm that the person admitted to some of the information that we are about to talk about here or some of the information regarding this program. And he was so disillusioned when I talked with this military officer he said, "I am leaving the military, Joyce. I did not believe when you told me about Gulf War illness, then I become ill. Then I found out the (??) was true, and then now I have found about this spraying issue.” And he said, “I can no longer serve the military.”
Let me go back to the Kennedy assassination. Do you remember Jim Garrison in New Orleans, the DA down there, fingered 27 people as being part of the plot to kill the president? Carlos Marcello was the major drug dealer in New Orleans and his people were involved. Now one of the people associated was a man named Barry Seals. He was a drug dealer and later a CIA operative. The FBI report on Carlos Marcello, the big dealer and underworld character, the FBI report said he made his money selling tomatoes and real estate and that was the FBI evaluation of the number one drug dealer. Now remember Barry Seals. Now fast forward to the Watergate break-in in 1972. Now I was at the Watergate. The CIA had a rather large international operation there under a corporate name. Then they had other foundations under that and so on. By the way, did you know that the Catholic church built the Watergate complex as a real estate investment? They named the Watergate for the dam that went across the Potomac River at that time. It was a water gate.Now in the Watergate, there were apartments, condominiums and office section - three sections. And inside of the office section was the democratic national committee. The FBI found a link between the democratic national committee and the white house and a call girl operation, a prostitution that was across the street from the Watergate. I think it was the plaza condominiums – I’m not sure. I don’t remember that. But it was right next to the Holiday Inn right across the street. The FBI wanted to go in to the democratic national committee and find out what they knew. The CIA was also very interested in the breach of security between the prostitutes and the white house. That’s how E Howard Hunt got recruited and Gordon Liddy got recruited to go in there and they called themselves the plumbers. There were going to go in to the democratic national committee to stop the leak, the plumbers. So here you had the CIA, the FBI wanting to do this and the key man was John Dean III. I wanted to paint a picture of the background of the people and what the people are capable of and how it works. It you look at the bottom line of anything, you’re just going to see the bottom line. But if you have an understanding of the nature and how things operate and how agencies operate, that’s something that most people have no clue about and they wouldn’t believe it if you told them. But let me go back. We’re running out of time, so I’m going to talk fast.So the Watergate thing was about prostitution connection to the white house and the white house connection was John Dean III. He was the counsel to the president. He was the president’s lawyer. Well, John Dean had an affair going with one of the girls, Maureen Elizabeth Kane Owen Biner was her name, later married the girl and her name now is Maureen Elizabeth Kane Owen Biner Dean. So John Dean at the white house wanted to protect her, so he turned on Liddy and E Howard Hunt and all the people. He even turned on the president. And they bought his testimony against the president. And that kind of in a nutshell, over simplified of course, is how Nixon was brought down. Nixon came into the game later. He probably had actually little to do with the actual manipulation. He was manipulated into that. And the CIA was involved in that and the FBI was involved in it. Fast-forward again to the Iranian Contra. The body count, with the Clinton body count in Mina Airport, Arkansas, was about 75 people that were suicided. The CIA operated that whole thing at the Mina Airport. They put in Rich Mountain Aviation company for CIA front and brought aircraft in from all over the world for refurbishing. Barry Seals showed up again, you remember Barry Seals now with the Kennedy thing, and Carlos Marcello, the drug dealer? Barry Seals got a KC123 out of Wright Patterson running guns to South America, and drugs back. They were dealing in hundreds of tons of drugs. It was so many drugs, it was like freight trains loaded with drugs, and 75 people that got in the way were taken out including Vince Foster and all those people.
Notice an interesting thing. Admiral Jeremy Boorda, he was a chief of naval operations. He was a Jewish man. He enlisted in the Navy when he was 17 years old and stayed an enlisted man for 6 years, and then went up in the ranks to become no. 1 naval officer for the united states navy. He was Chief of Naval Operations. Well, unexpectedly one night he decided to suicide himself in his house, and he shot himself twice in the chest with a shotgun. Now he was the Chief of Naval Operations and he opposed the chemtrail project. Then the chemtrail project started after admiral Boorda was replaced. Jeremy Boorda. He was a dedicated man, he was sincere man, he was a good man. So, you see the picture of how this thing operates. The CIA finances projects with monies earned elsewhere. Monies that go into CIA projects don't necessarily come out of congressional appropriations. And I will tell you that the congress as a whole is completely oblivious to the aerosol program. They are afraid to ask. I had an interview meeting with the administrative aid of the congressman, he drove all the way to Richmond from Washington to meet with me. We spent about one hour, I gave him complete overview presentation. He looked at me, stood up and he said: "What you expect me to do Griff, they would lie to me too", and I shook his hand, hugged the secretary and he left.
Lets talk about chemtrail aerosols, you did significant research, you got in to the program itself, and Sir what did you learn?
It is not that simple Joyce, it is a very complicated thing. You must know the people, you must know what they are capable of, you must know their intent, you must realize that you are dealing with people with no faces that have not been elected. You do not know who they are, you do not know what are they putting in those aircraft. The security on the substance going into the aircraft, whatever somebody puts in the aircraft it is going to come out from the aircraft. That is the real concern. The EPA has been told to keep their nose out of it. On the state levels, the state, here in Virginia is the Department of the Environmental Quality, I was told by high people there, they have been told to leave it alone, don't look at it, don't look at the air quality when it comes to the aerosols. Talk about ozone level involved. DARPA is involved in spraying cities. We caught them spraying Ashville North Carolina several years ago with the substance called BCTP developed under contract at the University of Michigan.Representative Kucinich introduced HR 2799 and he was called aside and told to take it out and he did and he got very quiet about it. I cannot tell you enough that this is very dangerous thing to get in to. It is very dangerous to talk about this. As long as people talk about the normal stuff on the internet they are OK. The agencies have been told to leave this alone. As in the Watergate and some of the other projects that I mentioned everybody involved thought that they were doing it for some reasons, a different reason. They did not know what it was about, everybody was going in different direction. That is the same thing we find here in aerosol program. The pilots probably do not know what they are doing, the crews that put it there they have no idea what it was for. We believe that it was sold to governments as global warming fix. We believe that but it was not. It was about sub program in the Navy program called VTRPE. That is what is about. You heard all kinds of explanations for 7 or 8 years but its for the VTRPE. And its the part of the Radio Frequency Mission Planner Its a computer system, RFMP, and VTRPE programs are the sub programs within that system. And it was first put on the ENTERPRISE and other aircraft carriers for battlefield imagining. The system would not work over the lend terrain adequately, or accurately rather, without creating a duction of the radio waves over the land terrain and they use the mixture of barium salts to do that, and that enables the whole system to function. It is the system that USA uses in Afghanistan, and Iraq and probably will use it in Iran and some other applications. And that is what its about. It is about VTRPE. Within the Navy program we see DARPA and they are into biologicals, and that is at what Clifford (Carnicom) shines. He has identified many, many very harmful biologicals coming out of the aerosols. We have the greatest admiration for Clifford and we have admiration for Scott (Stevens) the weatherman. He is a man of conviction. So DARPA is a trax. That was one of the first that we sow coming out of the aircraft, they brought them in and sprayed the city. Strange, Art Bells mother lived in Ashville, North Carolina and he talked about it on the air although he did not fully understand. Now here is the killer, here is the big one. Recently we come upon another danger hidden in atmosphere over America that has nothing to do with Navy, VTRPE, or the aerosoling. It is an attack on the North American weather. The weather is being manipulated from the outside of the country. The hurricane that slammed in to the New Orleans was guided in there. So was the hurricane Rita, and Gastone and some of the others. We believe that the Russian systems that have been developed since late 50' and early 60' in Russia, is the ultimate weapon and that we have no defense against it. It is called SCALAR. That is the modern name for the systems. Scalar weapons. There are 3 divisions of scalar coming against America. One is called energetics, one is called bioenergetics, and one is called psyhoenergetics. The psycho function can actually manipulate mind, thoughts, personality, and cause astronaut Lisa to wear a dipper driving across a country. That kind of thing. There was an admiral, on an aircraft recently that stood up and said to everybody on the plain that he had smallpox. And they took him off the plain. That was psyhoenergetics. Its functions on the mind, you can actually insert another personality in the person. The bio comes against living bodies, their bio chemistry. And energetics come against the Challenger, the Columbia, the Thresher submarine, when 129 men died. We are sure that were attacks by Russian scalar weapons. Actually interfemeter transmitters used in an interferometer way with 2 transmitters intersecting over north America.
For those that don’t understand scalar, would you define scalar or tell us what scalar weaponry is?
It’s very complicated. If I read you the definition, you still wouldn’t know. But on the website linked with you, the mysterious booms, you will find a link to Tom Bearden, Colonel Bearden in Huntsville. He defines all of that and tells quite a story about it. Tom Bearden has been the Tesla Guru for many years. He is highly respected. He is a brilliant man and a great American. I don’t want to get people hurt. This is a very dangerous thing to get into. I can’t stress that enough. The scalar transmitters in Russia are controlled by the Federal Security Service. It’s abbreviated FSB but actually stands for the Federal Security Service, the old KGB, and not necessarily under the direct control of the Russian government. It’s quite a story to this. The woodpecker transmitters that have been going on for 25, 30 years over North America are part of the weapon system coming against North America. We’re experiencing and hearing from the people from all over the country that hey are experiencing dizzy spells and they fall forward to the left. They are dizzy, fall forward to the left. I am sure many of you listeners right now are saying, my God, that has happened to me. Well, it’s happening all over the country and that is the manifestation of the scalar weapons systems. The town in Kansas was devastated as result of guiding and manufacturing that storm. That’s going to increase in the rest of this year. The hurricanes were suppressed last year, but hopefully the united states science community will be able to suppress them again. That is the real threat against us right now is the Russian. Now other countries have these weapons systems. We are late coming up to speed. We do not have adequate defenses against them right now. I will tell you that Israel stood between the united states and Russia with its defenses. Israel protected the united states on several occasions. When we got right down to the line. There’s been some white-knuckle time with this and the people have been completely oblivious to it. But, again, we are sure that Challenger was taken down and other aircraft, other commercial aircraft. On the west coast Alaskan airlines has been hawing a lot of trouble running into this scalar fields. But nobody knows about it. Back when I first, when I was like 19 years old, I first went into the service, we were in the Philippines in intelligence, we would penetrate Chinese airspace on a regular basis. We would penetrate the space to see how they would react and we would listen to their communications, their military, and we would know something about their defenses. Well, the Russians are doing the very same thing to us right now and we are not responding. It is as if we had no idea what is going on. And each time that happens they become more confident. If we go into Iran, God only knows what is going to happen, but if we do not go into Iran God only knows what’s going to happen to us, so I can see some real desperate times ahead. We also know in the study of this, as I told you earlier when we started looking at this, there was one door, and the all of a sudden we saw two doors, then four doors, then eight doors, then sixteen doors, then thirty-two doors to explore and that’s why it’s take all of these years to do that. We know that atomic devices have been pre-positioned in America cities. We know Israel has pre-positioned atomic devices in Russian cities. So there’s some standoff here. But we are in a desperate time and people are oblivious to it.
There is a paper that was done… it was thesis by Matthew Doggit… about the documentation behind what you are talking about here with respect to this project… and it is called, ‘An atmospheric sensitivity in validation study of the variable terrain radio parabolic equation model’ or the VTRPE as A.C. Griffith was discussing. Now, can you just help us understand… what is VTRPE?
It is a sub-program, a computer program within the radio frequency mission planner system that’s keyed to battlefield operations. It is key. We cannot fight wars without that. We’ve come to that. In WW2 you put a man in a field with a gun and say, go shoot him. But today’s military operates by satellite and ground radar. So this system ties into satellite radar and ground radar and that VTRPE can paint a three-dimension battlefield image over land terrain from a ship 200 miles in the Atlantic or the pacific.
How does that translate into something negative for our health?
You’re using barium salt and other darpa aerosols. You’re primarily using a mixture of barium salts to make it work over land terrain adequately, accurately.
And there are some serious negative effects using barium and of course, a lot of the information is at carnicom.com. What else do you see as being a problem? Now you’re saying this was an allegedly somewhat innocuous program to try and just do battlefield imaging.
That’s how it started. Then darpa got into it and other agencies got into it and God only where it is now and what’s coming out of those planes. You see, I tried to paint a picture hurriedly of the Iranian Contra which was a CIA operation and this is pretty much a CIA navy operation.You’re dealing with people, you don’t know who they are, they aren’t accountable to anybody, They’re capable of dastardly things. You see, the American people are totally out of the loop. Their reality is based on their life experience. You see, the way you judge things, the way you process things, your opinions are based on your own life experience. Most people haven’t had these experiences. I was sitting at a kitchen table with a person about a year ago that had retired from the CIA and they said to me, she said to me, ‘They do something bad to us, se have to do something twice as bad to them. They doing something three times as bad, we have to do something four times in order to survive and keep the country together and keep the people alive. And we turn into real b_____ds doing this you know. And the American people are not aware that that is the reality of survival in this country, you know, and they are very critical. There are no total black, total white. It’s a thousand shades of gray in between. And I dare say if some of the people or you or I were president of the united states and were responsible of the lives of 300 million people, we would probably be doing the same things and we would be criticized just like our government. There is no easy way to do these things. So military is designed to kill and break. It’s not designed to be politically correct, you know. We’re coming into difficult times, our country is being taken away from us and people are allowing it because of political correctness.I want to mention, Joyce, the mysterious booms. The booms are occurring all over the united states and cities. The national media is not picking it up and bringing it together. They’re not presenting it as one thing. Each city, each tv station is calling it mysterious boom and they are saying essentially the same thing: it’s strange, it’s a sonic boom, and so on, but we don’t know what it is ultimately. It is the effect of Russian interorometer transmitters coming against America and to the entergetic’s program. And that’s what it is. It’s the same energy waves that brought down the Challenger, the Columbia and the Thrasher submarine and other aircraft in America. That’s what’s making the booms. It will shake the ground, it’s an earthquake and you can hear the boom rolling across the city. It is actually the same systems that cause psychoenergetics that create mind dysfunctional and dizziness in people. They are upping those programs against 300 million Americans and our land, that are the same systems that are causing the hurricanes, volcanoes, so on. They can hit our volcanoes and we are in deep if that happens. They can our power grids down any second they want to and hold the power grids down as long as they want to out of Russia through the FSB.
There’re a lot of people talking about this mind control, this stalking program, basically stalking people’s minds and a lot of people have been coming forward wanting to get information. I think raven1 is one of the excellent websites on this. Is this the kind of thing you are talking about when you talk about the psychoentergetics program?
You can actually insert another personality in the person and cut it off and on. You can take the leader of a country, you can take the chief of naval operations or the chairman of joint chief Peter Pace, you can take people like that and insert a different personality in them, cause them to behave anyway you want them to and then subtract it.
What can we do?
First let me answer a questions you asked me some minutes ago. To oversimplify, for the sake of understanding the general category, a scaler wave, a scaler weapon produces something that you can perceive like a gravitational wave. It’s not an RF wave, it’s a gravitational wave, if anything for the sake of understanding. There’s nothing we can do to prevent this from occurring. Israel has protected us for several years – God bless Israel. They have put their existence on the line with their weapon system and there’s quite a few stories that will make your hair curl. As we make through each day, we should give thanks to God that we made it another day. There are no guarantees. Most of the conversation I hear on the internet and on the radio is foolishness. What I’ve told you is true. If you noticed, I’m not selling anything. In fact, I didn’t want to do this for years and years and here I am because it’s time, time to speak out, time to be doing things. And through Joyce’s patience and tolerance of me, here I am today. Everything I’ve said to you is true. I have not distorted or lied about anything we’ve discussed here. The mysterious booms. It can bring cities down. They can bring our cities down any time they want to. Of course, they will be taken out also and that’s their only deterrent. The missile systems, the missile protection systems are not as they have been presented to you. They are Tesla domes over cities, over territories. It is part of this scalar systems that afford protection from incoming missiles. It is not shooting a missile up. God only knows where all the money went to that was put into making the American people believe that we were building missiles to go up and shoot down enemy missiles. We believe Francis Gary Powers back in the early 60’s has taken down five variations of these systems out of Russia by the way.
Listen to the interview
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And here's an interesting letter by Al Cuppett (link):
Saturday, May 12, 2001
"Treaty on Open Skies" (TOS) Aircraft Executing Operational Bio-Chemical Missions Against the United States
Alexander "Al" B. Cuppett
US Army/The Joint Staff (JCS), Retired
RR 1 - Box 34-T Madison, VA 22727
12 March 2001 [8 May 2001 - Update 1]
TO: **General John P. Jumper, Commander, Air Combat Command (ACC)
INFO: GEN Shelton, Chairman, JCS; GEN Shinseki, CSA; Gen Ryan, CSAF; ADM Clark, CNO; GEN Jones, CMC; ADM Blair, CINCPAC; ADM Fargo, CINCPACFLT; Senators Allen, Shelby, Miller, and Warner; Congressmen Barr, Paul, Bartlett, Cantor, Goode, and Burton; Commonwealth of Virginia Federal and Military/Police Officers
SUBJ: "Treaty on Open Skies" (TOS) Aircraft Executing Operational Bio-Chemical Missions Against the United States
Sir, I have just been informed by a freelance reporter out of Munich, Germany, that she recently interviewed two Russian [speaking] officers who admitted they had been "flying TOS missions in the United States". This report was the final confirmation required to dispatch this letter to the above principals.
To prove I know whereof I speak, be advised I served the United States thirty-one years, nineteen of which were "joint service". Moreover, I served two years as an Air Staff Action Officer in XOKCR/SITI; as well as a Communications (C3I) Action Officer/Evaluator, for six years, on the Joint Staff in then-C3SEO, and J-7/EAD. I received the, "Secretary of Defense Civilian Service Medal", and during my service career, the Purple Heart, Bronze Star, et al, on a 15 month combat tour; being stationed 14 years overseas, and serving in over 25 countries.
If you aren't familiar with "TOS" particulars, be advised that Presidents Bush and Clinton put these sorry 'counter-US sovereignty' TOS Agreements in place, legally or otherwise, ostensively to insure our compliance with 'Nuke Reduction Agreements'. Such pretenses were mainly a "public consumption" issue, as is the 45th RS, 55th Wg, and their 3 TOS compliance "OC-135W" planes, w/multinational crews, based at Offutt AFB; and associated with the "On-Site Inspection Agency (OSIA)".
The clandestine purpose of the TOS, rather than to certify US/foreign treaty compliance at US/foreign military bases, was to allow UN/Soviet pilots to overfly, without restrictions/hinderance, the US populace, operating in several modes; which I'll detail below.
First off, I have prima facie evidence, from "All Sources", that Soviet/UN pilots, in foreign planes/choppers, are routinely flying ["civil radar-spoofing", transponder-equipped] flagrantly illegal, low-level, IR-magnetometer-radar sweeps, and yes, "black operations" sorties, against private citizens; thus, searching for stored weapons, equipment, and food, etc!
This includes sensor-equipped, Soviet Hip (MI-17) choppers over legal Federal Firearms Licensed businesses! I saw one! These despicable UN-ordered missions are bad enough, however, what follows is far worse.
For at least 8 years, TOS aircraft/choppers have been conducting pernicious, bio-chemical warfare operations all over the USA! I maintain hundreds of reports, many 'first person', as do other military retirees, including retired flag officers, of numerous attacks on our population; over both cities and rural areas.
People are being surreptitiously sickened, and yes, killed, as a result of these "spraying" operations. The leftist US press is purposely covering the truth, and the US military, the "only super power" (what a joke!), can do nothing! But sir, while I have breath, I shall write!
On 29 January 2001, these "carpet-spraying" operations finally came to Central Virginia! Investigation reveals these tanker-configured aircraft are now spraying "chemtrails" of "mycoplasmas/fungi spores" in most areas of the USA. I'm a licensed pilot, and have seen/endured, various aerial sorties myself, for over seven years! These operational sorties also "feature", among other pathogens, Hepatitis, upper respiratory irritants, ad nauseam, etc.!
If you didn't know about this, you do now. Moreover, if you don't dispatch an armed F-15, or two, out of Langley/ACC to "splash" a few of these flying murderers, you'll never qualify for the "Admiral Mike Boorda Trophy".
Boorda knew these UN operations were going on, and was planning to do something; but alas, died, not by "suicide", but with 3 bullets in his body! If the action/info addressees above sit by and do nothing they're no more honorable than the traitorous Illuminist "leaders" who allowed these pernicious UN-Soviet terrorists/troops/cops/pilots into this country; in by the hundreds of thousands, no less! Gentlemen, when the "bio agent" is Anthrax [spores], it'll be too late!
Very respectfully, with warm regards,
P..S. [Jewish] ADM Mike Boorda gave his life for the USA. How many "Flag Officers" will give their country for their lives? You need to make a decision, soon, or we'll not escape this "expedition" against us. Also, I tried to keep this to a "one page" staff paper. I could've written you 50 pages! Please review the attached 'USA Event" paper also.
**Thirty minutes after this was faxed to Langley AFB, VA, the baldheaded talk show host broke his programming format and for ten minutes denounced anyone who believed in "chemtrails"
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